Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3158

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Jan Cox Talk 3158 June 9, 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2016
Notes by Cfish June 2016

Suggested Title:  Momentary Reality

Begin:  Consider the variety of fictional names the conscious part of the brain (CPB) has named itself rather than saying it (CPB) is doing the talking? (ex. inner self, spirit, psyche, etc.) Seeing it will change everything.  

If you can look at the CPB in a certain way, being conscious is really a stretch. It is really a fairly low intensity illusion.  Picture the brain, the round ball of the brain and everything you need to keep alive is there except consciousness. 

Picture this thin layer of cortex wrapped around the top part of the brain. it’s like a screen where the words/pictures that constitute consciousness appear. This thin layer is the screen of the cerebral cortex and that is the only place these words an pictures that constitute consciousness appear.

05:00  Just keep glancing up. “My mind” is just pictures/words. It is only in one place and its just almost not there. It is like the flash water heaters in houses, the size of a liter bottle, that heats the water instantly as it uses it.

If you look at the CPB (conscious part of the brain) in your head it simply appears at the second it is triggered. And the hard part to describe is there is nothing there to support it. 

9:00 You are accustomed to feeling otherwise. We “feel” it is supported by knowledge, experience, and memories.  Daydreams where you think of yourself, feel substantial. But consider the split seconds between thoughts, there is no you, no consciousness. Something has to trigger it. The CPB is not the origin of anything under ordinary conditions.

It is an automatic reactionary operation. And it is a momentary flash/momentary reality (words/pictures) with nothing behind it and nothing below it.

The unanalyzed sensation “I am having/doing this thought,”  is not true.  If the brain is a box, the (CPB) is almost totally empty and the CPB cannot accept that at face value.

If the CPB did accept it that would produce what we call “waking up.”  Thoughts thinking a vague image is all there is. The closest exception maybe the electrical chemical impulses, throughout the brain, labeled memories.

15:00  And what the CPB labels memories are used for the upcoming thought. (ex. Do you know so and so? Does he have red hair? etc.) Conscious part of the brain (CPB) reacts to the question but you don’t do anything.

Its a momentary flash and nothing more. But its still a momentary flash/thoughts with no support system. Even if you have the memory, you can’t see or hear it, even if you open the box and look, all is quiet and empty. 

20:00  I am trying to get you to see there is no you. It is just a momentary flash/reality. “What you feel,”  “who are you,” “feels” substantial, verbally to someone or privately to yourself.  But it is just a momentary flash/reality.

Experience, knowledge, thinking constantly, for the last 45/55 years, but if you look, it is clear that its just a moment to moment flash. It was all triggered by external stimuli. 

25:00  “You” did not produce the thought. The CPB ignores the fact you don’t decide what you are going to say next. Asking “what are you going to say next?” disables consciousness for the moment. 

Do “you” have thoughts or produce thoughts?” CPB says yes. But no one plans what they are going to say next. No matter who is asking or listening (ex. genius v. idiot) you look up and the thoughts just appear. 

30:00  Maybe if you were “awake” for the moment you may not react but under ordinary conditions the conscious part of the brain automatically reacts. It is tricky to see. The CPB seems complex/deep. And it makes humans, human.

If you lose the CPB you can still live but you are not human. Don’t let the CPB fool you. It has a fair sized list of things it calls itself. Rather than saying what it actually is. (Automatic/reactionary/operation)

And our feeling about it is, this thing that is us, is very complex. But I suggest, it is a damn near empty box with a cobweb on top of it. To the ordinary mind its a vast storehouse of memories good/bad.

35:00 But the Conscious part of the brain (CPB) is nothing but a momentary reality with no back up system. It is not accumulated memories. Memories are electrical/chemical impulses stored in the brain. Nothing more.

The only thing the CPB/you is, rather than this physical body, is a momentary flash and it’s only there when some other stimuli outside of you triggers it.

That my friends is your consciousness. It is not bad news. It will make your heart sing. I warn you, if you pursue this, it takes away the non physical heartbreaks. 

(jokes) If you folks do decide collectively to send one of you to say you have had a very bad psychological experience after trying to see it. See if that stops me. I will keep trying and, hell, it may even encourage me.   

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Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3157 by Cfish

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Jan Cox Talk 3157  June 7, 2004
Copyright Jan’s Legacy 2016, Jan Cox
Notes by Cfish January 2016

Suggested Title:  A Piece of Reactionary Machinery

Begin: If you can see, when you can see, when you do see, what I am describing, for your self, you will never be able to think about things as you do now. No matter who you are. You can still take a nap (unduly confused, frightened)  but you can’t nap seriously. 

I have, in the past, said that if you understood things in this way or that way, but this latest description of the conscious part of the brain, literally does it forever. It takes the juice and vinegar out of everything. Exceptions being your foot caught in a bear trap. (ex. physical pain)

There is a reason that man has been fascinated by the stoic attitude. It is quite obvious in history, from the early greek dramas, and later,  the Clint Eastwood movies. (Stoicism: Endurance of pain and hardship without display of feeling and without complaint. Oxford dictionary)

Why have humans been fascinated with Stoicism, at least in appearance? True stoicism, I say, is what will happen to you, if you can see what I am trying to describe, as the natural state of the conscious part of the brain. There is no sense of you (which is you) outside the conscious part of the brain.

Unless, if you like, the physical awareness of your body, which we can no longer adequately describe because the conscious part of the brain describes it. The closest we can get to seeing the extent of awareness of the body is to observe a dog or cat.

05:00  The awareness of the body dogs and cats have, would be all the awareness a human would have without the conscious part of the brain. What humans refer to as personality, spirit, the human self, etc. - well, that is the conscious part of the brain (CPOB). 

If you can see and realize that the conscious part of the brain is an automatic/mechanical reactionary device - it changes everything.  The verbal description of what I am pointing to,  (CPOB is an automatic reactionary device) is as adequate as you can get for now.

It does not begin to cover the reality of it. And the reality of it could not be more time crucial. You can only catch the reality of the conscious part of the brain being an automatic reactionary device at the moment. You can’t think about it or you are back in the grip of it.

Once described, even if you hear it, the additional enlightenment hangs you up. Because the conscious part of the brain is reacting to what I am saying. There is no such thing as a good reaction.  I know there seems to be and there is until you see it fully.

It is like you wake up to it in an instant. Except it took forty years to build up to the instant. So the point is between here and there, there are thoughts, mental pictures, your own ideas push you forward/closer. Enjoy them now. 

10:00  Once you see what I am pointing to, whatever the conscious part of the brain says, you recall at that moment, what you have realized, it stops everything, Or if you catch yourself taking a nap, (unduly confused, frightened, etc.) you realize whatever you were thinking was nothing.

Or that anything you were thinking about nothing is nothing. There is literally nothing left to think about because you understand; Anything I think, about what just happened, makes it happen all over. In a sense there is only one instant/moment of being awake.

And its whatever instant/moment this is and you are not thinking. Remembering what you know stops the conscious part of the brain at the moment. It’s a you to you message to yourself. It is the conscious part of the brain thinking ”come on”, “huh” about thoughts about nothing.

True Stoicism is when the conscious part of the brain does not hold onto sadness, discouragement, self-pity, etc. True stoicism (realizing the CPOB is mechanical/reactionary device) does not stop physical pain, it stops non-physical discomfort.

15:00  Momentary Lapses (unduly confused, frightened) are no longer long enough to be enjoyed, sorry, I meant, momentary lapses can no longer harm you. If you can see the true nature of the conscious part of the brain, how it operates, it is simple, direct, and obvious. (mechanical/reactionary)

The conscious part of the brain’s nature is to be unduly confused, and frightened. (being asleep) It goes on naturally. Two million pages (8 1/2 x 11) of writing, between me and Buddha and that is all there is to being asleep. Every non-physical complaint, foolish opinions, incorrect ideas, are traceable to the conscious part of your brain, an (Automatic/Mechanical Reactionary Device).

21:00    The whole impression that all humanity has, that Life has instilled in us, is that the conscious part of the brain can originate a thought - When you see it, is laughable - but you don’t really laugh. And when you see it, it answers everything.

And ordinary consciousness cannot realize it. Its like religious beliefs versus a windstorm. It is a great pleasure to see the conscious part of the brain as automatic and reactionary. Two ingredients is all you need. It only operates in reaction to something else.

25:00  It is all you need to work with. General areas of the brain only do one thing. (ex blood pressure, body temperature) The heart beats like a mechanical pump.  The conscious part of the brain is mechanical/reactionary and its alway traceable to something outside of you and something is always triggering it. It can only be seen with extreme mystical difficulty in a few people.

30:00  Considering the conscious part of the brain as a automatic/mechanical reactionary device is a delightful description. It simplifies, it slices reality instantly, for your mental eyes. What the conscious part of the brain feels is you (personality, etc.) is not you.

It is a piece of reactionary machinery. And when you see it for what it is, it stops the illusion, except for a second or two. You then live the reality of stoicism. Nothing other than physical pain bothers you. One of the small treats you lose. (I have to warn you out there in mp3 land - it says so right there on the label.)

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Adding additional Websites to hold it all

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The talks from 1000 to 1999 WERE on jancox2.com
But we decided to move the website to Wordpress
so that we did not need a Jancox2 at all,
and will announce in What's new when more available...

so the remainder of this post is false.

Well, it is official and you read it here first, we are going to add several new sites to hold all the talks.  So soon you will see a JanCox2.com and a JanCox3.com.

The reason is simple, we can only have about a thousand pages per site.  We tried to conserve pages by doing blogs, but it just looked really wrong putting 100 talks to a blog page.  It is just how SquareSpace is set up, so we are pushing through it .

All talks will be referenced on the main site, with links to talks above 1000 or 900 on site 2 and so on.

  You might not even be able to tell the difference.

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 2572 by Cfish

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Jan Cox Talk 2572   September 1, 2000
Copyright Jan’s Legacy 2016, Jan Cox
Notes by Cfish January 2016

Suggested Title:  Pre Preconceptions

Begin:  Reads: The reason that no one’s views or opinions, including your own, are of any use in getting to the “bottom of things” is that all views and opinions are “preconceived” and if that was not bad enough, they were never “preconceived” by the people who hold them.

Views and opinions arrive in your mind already preconceived and ready to rumble. How else do conversations flow so effortlessly between strangers and neither one knowing what the others going to say? All knowledge of secondary matters is not knowledge but opinions.

Thus all knowledge in things, in secondary matters, (ex. politics or religion) is preconceived and not representative of actual circumstances.  The words that constitute secondary matters are representative of nothing other than themselves.

05:00  What ordinary people call knowledge in secondary matters (ex. religion) are beliefs, opinions, and views. And if your mind’s preconceptions and opinions are listened to, you take them seriously, and its almost impossible not to listen to your mind.

10:00 Your mind may say it knows the difference between an opinion and knowledge but to put it bluntly secondary matters (ex. politics) are not tangible survival enhancements. Secondary matters are of that world that grows out of the mind.

The mind does not think about “what it thinks about”, as its momentary opinions.  A person’s mind does not think it is dealing with anything other than knowledge. You might want to think about why the mind came up with opinions, beliefs, and views.

15:00 The mind may say it does not have sufficient knowledge to go forward with a matter, but if you look, that is also an opinion. All opinions are preconceived even if they are seen as having value. If the opinion is made in advance it’s a preconception.

All opinions/views are preconceived decisions made about something beforehand. And they are not preconceived by you. If it is not knowledge based on objective realization, it’s an opinion.  And assuming you can see it, a preconception/opinion is something you already decided, a pre-judgment has been made.

20:00 How can you preconceive something? How can you decide about something  before you decided about something? Or playing dirty “what are you going to say next?” Ninety - nine percent of what people say has no significance. 

Someone emailed saying he enjoyed my writings which was followed by two or three paragraphs of how his life sucked. I wrote him back and said there are two kinds of suffering, worrying/whining about a root canal and having the root canal. And one is worse than the other; and most people don’t even recognize the difference, and then signed it Best Regards.

A few hours later he wrote back and said he understood and then went into even greater detail about how his life sucked. Normally that would have been the end of it but he showed flashes of understanding.

25:00  I then wrote a note back and stated, “After further study I agree with you. Your life obviously sucks. I guess I didn’t see it at first.” I didn’t send it. But what if I had, would it haveaccomplished anything? I guess it could have shook him a little.

But knowing people and their mind what would be the possibility of him getting anything from it? The reason I brought it up is to point out - it is damn near impossible not to listen to your mind. For the moment,  lets assume you can’t shut the noise of the mind off. 

Six billion people, minus a few, do not notice the noise in their head, that I rant about. Auditory adaptation, for example, is how someone working in a steel factory gets accustomed to the noise of the place. But there is a difference between cutting it off and listening to it.

30:00  You entertain the mind, take it seriously,  when you listen to it. Consider how it is almost impossible not to listen to the noise in your head, and then consider that if you do listen to the noise in your head you will take it seriously. It could be a task. (set aside and hour and just look)

You don’t think about taking seriously what goes on in your mind. That could be enough to wake you up. You never “not” take it seriously. The mind may say different by saying - there is stuff I don’t like and will argue the point. 

Which leads to “I am either a moron or engaged in self deception." Finally down to good choices. What goes on in the mind, almost entirely, is nothing but preconceived opinions, prior judgements in secondary matters, (ex religion) that are shipped into you.

35:00  Your mind may make it sound like the preconceived opinion started out with one piece of knowledge, like stumbling onto  the wheel of an automobile, then later the chassis, and then later putting all the pieces together to make the automobile.

Except that is not what occurs and no one seems to notice. Preconceived opinions come to you full blown. They are not something you found. They are shipped in to you, fully formed, ready to go, right out of the box.

Have you ever been thinking and mid thought the opinion falls apart? Picture a tractor trailer driving by, and half way thru the tractor trailer just falls apart and disappears. (which can’t happen) Consider “have you ever had a thought going thru your mind and mid-way your mind went “wait a minute” the rest of the thought is not coming?”

40:00  First part of the thought/opinion was ok - what happened to the other part? It never happens and no one finds it curious. If preconceived opinions were your own you could take the credit and the blame. No one seems to notice the mind does not start blank. Here is the real point I am working up to tonight - “ Our lives are preconceptions.” 
 
45:00  Driving home tonight consider - everything I think (99%) is a preconception, and the preconceptions are not even mine. A preconception is not thought about before the preconception. A decent mystic could think about “how my life is a preconception.”

Preconceptions cannot be denied or confirmed. Unlike pre destination which you either believe or don’t believe. It may be  life’s sleight of hand to keep man from pondering “my life is a preconception.” Views/Opinions/Beliefs and the lives people lead are preconceptions.

Obviously it is something life does not want us to think about. I don’t know if it is true or not true. It is just a view I found on my own. It was just laying there, with a flipper hubcap on it. It started talking to me. “The lives men lead are actually preconceptions.”  

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Notes on Jan Cox Talk 2571 by Cfish - Just Looking

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Jan Cox Talk 2571 August 30, 2000
Copyright Jan’s Legacy 2015, Jan Cox
Notes by Cfish December 2015

Suggested Title: Just Looking

Begin:
Reads: It can be an expediently useful tactic to look upon and investigate your thinking not as something “active” that you do but rather something “passive” that happens to you.  A man who can see an advantage to this stance can then soon see an advantageous view of yet another matter in a similar fashion. 

Reads:  To wit: to look upon being asleep not as a condition you bring on yourself by your own unawakened actions but instead as a condition to which you are a passive victim. To look for sleep is to be forced to believe (when you find it) that you caused it. How else could you be enticed to try and change the situation?  

A man genetically wired to be attracted to the "struggle to awaken” once he hears man described as being asleep, he adopts the idea as his own. He did not create the idea and his mind is stuck with having to take the idea just as he found it. It is a mental world where the laws of permissible thoughts are made by  thoughts already present.

Once the mind decides it is asleep and deluded there is no way out of the then perceived condition other than by getting un-asleep/un-deluded.  Surely the desire to awaken requires active participation. But is this so? What if being asleep is man’s active mental condition and waking up is passive? 
 
Reads: A man who pays any serious attention to what his mind says is un-awakenable.  A man who listens sincerely to anything his mind  talks about cannot be enlightened. A man who has any relationship with his mind other than that of just looking at it will never realize whats been going on all this time.

05:00  Consider:  Looking at the mind as having infinite room available, which is never used. (the actual cause of frustration with the mind) Not too many ideas, but not enough ideas.  Simply you have to see the need to twist everything backward in how your mind says it should be.

 Note:  It is always “should be”, not “could be”, because it is difficult to attract attention on the basis of what could be. The mind does not come forth with alleged reports from the gods like you folks “could  do better - it is always you folks “ should” do better. 

10:00  Once one has adopted the idea one could internally, mentally, and consciously be in a different state, then the effort (struggle to awaken) appears to be an active challenge.

Past teachings (ex. self remembering, being mindful, buddha mind,) present themselves as an active challenge. And that being asleep/metaphorically appears to be a passive state. (Literally being asleep/bedtime sleeping is a passive state) 

15:00  Getting out of bed in the morning requires an active act. So using the metaphor of  “wanting to awaken” well, that  requires effort. But I say there is another way to look at the “effort to awaken” that I find useful. It requires unused muscles of the mind to see what I am pointing to.

No one that I know of thinks the teaching/struggle to awaken could be backwards. But if you folks have stuck around this long you can probably follow along. What if the “ struggle to awaken” is a passive undertaking?

20:00  Note: I am not saying the “struggle to awaken” is the opposite of the teachings. (ex. the effort, the work) but it is a twisted version. What if the reality of “being awake” is not the imagined reality of “being awake”? 

What if behind the words, the “struggle to awaken” is a passive act?  What if the effort to awaken could be profitably seen as a passive undertaking? Would not that answer one big question: Why do I not accomplish more thru my effort? Why do the rewards seem elusive?

What if a sincere effort to awaken, to stopping thought, to separate consciousness from the mechanical flow of thinking, (It’s not disingenuous to say after a lifetime of doing it)  the true payoff does not come thru the active doing of something, but in assuming a passive position to the undesirable/sleeping state/mechanical flow.

25:00 I can see the effort to awaken as one of passivity, and as a proper view. My first thought of this was almost immediately followed with peripheral matters that could be useful. Meditation is a time honored method in attempts to awaken. (still mind - still body)

I am not saying that the people who use and promote it understand it but consider for a moment that meditation is a passive undertaking. One old zen master did ask the question after looking around the monastery “how do passive vessels lead to awakening?”

30:00 Changing the view but not the subject, the mind under mechanical conditions is an endless medium/passageway for redundant useless commentary. Classic meditation is calming the mind so it is not subjected to redundant useless commentary.

What is irritating to folks like us is the mind seems to be full of useless crap, when left to its own devices. Attempts to awaken (self remembering,  etc.) attempt to push all this crap out of the way and replace it with good stuff. (The thought of Awakening)

What if the mind is not full of crap. (ex. last week I mentioned the mind is boundless/unstable) What if the mind is infinite? Ordinary people do not notice that their mind is full of crap anymore than they notice that they are alive. Telling ordinary people they are asleep - it’s not noticeable to them.

35:00  In man’s normal state the mind is only partially used. The mind - when being useful - can be life saving, but the rest of the time, being charitable, it is useless. Normal people are not surprised they are alive. That is their conscious state.

40:00  The mind only bothers people who hear that it should bother them and as soon as they hear it they say, “I’m bothered”. (example - people who hear ‘man is asleep’ and say,”That’s it! I’m asleep”) So what if the problem is not that consciousness is taking up day and night with meaningless bullshit (sleeping thoughts), but what if there is not enough going on in your mind?

What if the mind cannot be filled? All of you can snap out of the sleeping state. And you realize the mind of man is boundless. If it were not, there would be no conflicting views. If the mind of man could be filled, it would only take a few generations before progress would stop. (ex. the wheel would still be made of stone)

45:00 Consider the mind full of sleeping thoughts - would you be big time asleep, would you even know? To know you would have to wake back up a little. And do you see what just happened? You say  “What just happened?”  But by then it is too late.

It is always too late. That is the only reason anyone’s asleep. You heard that man is asleep. You say that is it. And in saying that you are too late because now you know it. I give the mythical creation stories, and forbidden knowledge stories credit for having interests similar to our own.

To ordinary people it’s not forbidden knowledge, it’s whatever the holy book/society tells them. For people wired up like us when we hear that man is asleep and can awaken we adopt it. It is like toilet paper you can’t shake loose from your foot.  What if the continual shaking is not the way to go about it?  
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Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3034 by Cfish

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Jan Cox Talk 3034 - 5 May 2003
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2015
Notes by Cfish November 2015

Suggested Title:  Operationally Recognizing Feeling and Thinking are Two Different Things

Begin:  Tonight I saw a church marquee “ten steps to build your faith.” I can’t remember if I ever mentioned the fact that church marquees, sermon topics, and sermons themselves, can be bought, and that some people “lose their religion” after being told of this.

People assume these clever, witty, and proverbial church marquees and sermons are written by the pastor. (Even though the pastor may appear to be barely literate in conversation.) Anyway, the church marquee I passed tonight barked at me.

“Ten steps to building your faith” with faith being the backbone of religion. You cannot talk about religion with a straight face, unless you have faith. And here is this brightly lit marquee, of the coming night’s sermon. (probably purchased thru a franchise)

05:00  Which leads me to a common phrase, related to the last few nights, “Mixed Emotions.”  Being of mixed emotions, though it could be viewed as cliche, can also be viewed as reflective, insightful, less than a routine comment. (i.e. I like it, I hate it)

I can’t think of a situation in human existence that “mixed emotions” would not be an acceptable comment. (ex. health matters, death, politics, etc.)  The basis of the “point” is that there is no such thing as “mixed emotions.” Emotions being the instinct to survive.

Lets say emotions are cellular and part of the silent nervous system, before they hit the frontal lobes. 

10:00  Often times, even admittedly, if asked, emotions are being mixed up with thinking. Feelings/emotions in us and in animals are the instinct to survive. The neurons/thinking may ask  “what about compassion?”

But if you look, the only emotions you have are survival related. Anything we call emotion/feeling is never questioned in animals. For example a deer that runs when it hears a noise is not confused with maybe, that it could have been, the deer’s upbringing, that made him run.

15:00  The only pure feelings you have, are survival related.  Mixed emotions are having a feeling about a subject but the thoughts are at variance with the feeling. (Under some conditions some folks could see that.)   

Yet the plain/working reality (pure feelings being survival related) no one’s mind deals with. The working reality is not conditional, not spiritual, and not limited to a specific situation. Anytime you have “mixed emotions” life is feeding you thoughts that do not fit the feeling.

The feelings could be no more than indifference. (side thought: that could be the most severe example of mixed emotions)  One does not get the instinct to survive from anywhere. You did not pick up the desire for sex and food. (ex. eating too much picked up in my childhood) 

20:00 People do not analyze emotions. Emotions are just there. If you can see it, two things are going on. Instinctive feelings drive human life, and if you look, fit within a very few instinctive emotions/feelings. And thoughts about feelings are going on.

Thoughts can go along with feelings but that is irrelevant. Thoughts only being relevant when using thoughts to handle abusive feelings. (ex eating too much) Mixed emotions could be the basis of early religious stories about the dark and the light.

25:00  Good and evil, dark and light, hormones and neurons,  are examples of doing things I don’t want to do. For example having sex with anyone I want (hormones) but something tells me not to. (neurons) This back and forth does not go on in emotions.

So the punchline is you don’t have mixed emotions/feelings about anything. It is another way to look at why folks cannot change the way they feel. (ex. depression over a death, fatal disease diagnosis) 

30:00  Feeling bad about a death in the family or a fatal disease diagnosis could be genetic. And if it is a real feeling, the feeling can’t be changed. And the human mind is not constructed to see or accept that. (ex. someone saying you need to snap out of it)

There is nothing you can do about real feeling, but if you operationally recognize (very few do) that feeling and thinking are two different things, (may or may not be fully connected, there is always some connection) this awareness separates the two.  

Operationally recognizing feeling and thinking are two different things is based on a lifetime of doing it and the fact that I can talk about this two or three nights in a row and you folks keep showing up. Look at and listen to Life, the human mind is not wired to see this.

Neurons say things could change, ordinary people pray and hope conditions will change, but whatever you are feeling you are feeling. The whole idea of prayer, self hypnosis, etc. is right on the edge of seeing something.

35:00  If they were wired up for it, and if they turned just a little while praying, they may see something. When someone prays for help, understanding, acceptance, a miracle, the only treatment is to look at it internally. (ordinary people can’t do it)

Know for yourself - the energy of the nervous system (hormones/feelings) is driving the neurons. (what you were thinking about) If you understand that when you turn and look internally, then feeling and thought separate. 

It is like a gear going into idle. Feeling and thought are within millimeters of each other and at any minute they can go right back to thoughts of worry and anger. You cannot stop actual instinctive feeling. But if you can get the gears to disengage what you are thinking becomes irrelevant.

Its like the fog floating a few inches above a field no longer oppressing the grass/field of consciousness. Whatever you are feeling you can stand. When feelings become unbearable you pass out. (awake or asleep, witness the sale of alcohol and drugs)

40:00  Nothing you feel, you can’t stand. But if thought gets in gear with the feeling there is no end to the suffering/stupidity you can enjoy. You never have stupid feelings. I will let you figure out the lead in to the "Ten Steps to Building Faith.”

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 2570 by Cfish

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Jan Cox Talk 2570   - August 28, 2000
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2015
Notes by Cfish September 2015

Suggested Title:  Attempts To See The Mind  

[Reads]
“Until he discovers for himself that what ordinary men call their “Mind” simply isn’t there, and the only time it can apparently “find itself” is at the exact moment it is looking for itself, (which with ordinary men is a relative, non-event.) “ JDN 082800)

Begin:  What I keep saying, in different/same ways is, when you try to study the mind, you can’t find the mind. After years of looking, having been in states of waking up, I made up the view, that waking up was “the mind" being able to turn and look fast enough, “the mind” sees “the mind” in toto for what it is.  

Turning the mind on itself and the mind being able to see itself is what’s behind the experience of waking up. (being enlightened, etc.) Which I say (for reasons I’m unsure) few people who experience “big time awakening” ever get to the bottom of. Simply, the mind sees/understands itself.

And this experience (the mind sees itself) is in spite of the fact, I say, that when the mind looks for itself - it’s not there. Because (even if I made it up) you don’t have but one mind. So how can one mind, walk away from itself, turn around, and look for itself.

05:00  It is breathtaking, it will save you twenty-five years, if you (the mind) realize the thought that wants to wakeup, the thought that feels the other thoughts are asleep/unworthy, (and I agree when I am that thought) it’s only the mind “attempting" to wake up.

Here is the other side/view, “The mind does not exist until it looks for itself.” Speaking on behalf of the reasonable, that is certainly not true. The mind does not exist. until it looks for itself, is almost the opposite, of the mind can’t find itself, because it is itself.

If you don’t see it, prove it to yourself, not me. (It may take awhile) I want you to be uncertain whether this is literal or metaphor. The mind does not exist until it “attempts” to look for itself, until it “attempts” to self remember, until it “attempts" to wake up. 

10:00  Even more astounding is considering that everything humans do that does not require things tangible in nature is all in the mind. (including attempts to see the mind) Look how little of life is taken up with food, (growing/eating) defending the household, and physical actions to get one through the day.

All the rest is imagination and would not be there without men’s mind. Last time I brought up the flowering of consciousness, the talking part of the brain, the mind’s ability to talk and hear itself talk, was the origin of gods.  Why did the mind do that?

15:00  Maybe the mind looked around, seeing how humanity had created the wheel, thinking then, maybe something created humanity/physical world. Then the mind thinking, maybe the mind/talking part of the brain is God, but since it was the only voice in the head, it had to know what it was doing.

Why didn’t the talking part of the brain/flowering of consciousness say (instead of making up God) this is your brain talking. I am useful. I can be fun in your free time, and I don’t cost any money?

20:00 Because of my relentless efforts to see “what’s going on” a whole new view of these efforts “to wake up, to see the mind, etc. - I don’t see them as being, not ridiculous, not humorous, but how about jolly good. (It’s a British term meaning Jolly Good) 

The biggest part of one’s life is spent in secondary reality/non-physical world. Sex, eating, and what you do for a living is excluded. And this whole secondary reality is taking place in an area, literally, smaller than a soccer ball.  

Ordinary people may see this view as a metaphor. For example, reality is colored/weighted by what one thinks about it. The ordinary may say they see reality with their mind’s version of it. But ordinarily they could not see secondary reality taking place in an area smaller than a soccer ball.

25:00  Looking around at life I see a fascinating picture where 95% of what everyone is doing at any moment (their sense of reality/civilization) is taking place in an area, that will fit into the size, of a man’s brain. This thing (civilization) that covers the entire world, being anything not natural to the planet.

It should make you smile, maybe eventually wake up.  

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Jan Cox Talk 2568 - Aug 23, 2000 -
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2015
Notes by Cfish July 2015

Suggested Title: Beyond “The Thought of Awakening”

Begin:
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  Everything comes from somewhere else.
  Everything comes from some place other than where “the mind” says it does. 
  For the temporary sake of tonight’s comments lets say that, “being awake” is whatever “being awake” is. 
  But that there could be something potentially even beyond that. 
  Which would be to separate “the continuing sensation of being you” from your mind’s sensation of ”you.”  
  I say that such a feat would make merely being Awake look childish.

Consider the “one thought of awakening.”

Whenever it comes to mind, momentarily displacing the other thoughts, (sleeping, mechanical, etc.) superficially, the thought of awakening has failed - if being awake is a condition wherein - the only thought in your mind is “the thought of awakening.”

The “thought of awakening” will always think it’s failing. (Great news if you can handle it.) The simple truth is this. The mind does not understand what it is. Notice I did not say “the mind” can’t understand what it is. There is no root problem to life, save death. No thoughts - no problems.

In the ordinary sense, the mind minimally, is exercising its potential in listening to itself talk. While being awake is pushing this possibility to its limits. Ergo “being asleep” is a condition wherein there is no discernible difference between the speaker and the listener.

05:00  Contrary to popular proverb, “The counterfeit exists only because the real exists” for our purpose tonight, It’s the opposite. We would not be trying to awaken, if the air was not thick with mistaken notions, widespread beliefs, of being awake.

Seeing and getting to the bottom of this activity requires the appearance of methods, in achieving it, which are the only ways. Whatever being awake is, there is something beyond that. 

Safely, and with potential profit set aside, the idea of “trying to wake up.” Simply “I am trying to separate my sensation of being “me” from “my mind’s” sensation of it. You are not your mind. 

10:00  There is nothing, more slippery, for the mind, to conceive.  It’s easier to follow the pictures, speculations, and mind experiments of physicists on time and dimensions.   Ordinarily, all you have is “the mind’s” sensation of you. I say there is another sensation of you. (can’t describe it)

It is where “waking up” would go if people kept on with it.  Metaphorically, its down below the atomic level, of what all this is about.

15:00  “The mind is attempting to look at itself.” That is all we are and have been doing. Anyone who say its anymore than that (destiny, cosmic forces, etc.) are further behind than you are.

I understand where it all comes from. I used to wallow in it, I don’t see how you can avoid it, but when it comes down to it you are just killing time. When you do see it, (the mind is attempting to look at itself) notice how it hasn’t been obvious all these years, twenty four hours a day.

20:00  There is a sensation in everyone apart from what goes on in your head.  So when the “thought of awakening” looks around at the other thoughts, its like the other thoughts are interlopers.

There is a continuing awareness/sensation you have (everyone has it) of yourself that is not “the minds’ sensation. But the only sensation we can put words on is “the mind’s” sensation. The only “you” the mind can be aware of is it’s sensation. (not exactly true) 

But if you follow it all the way to the bottom you will understand the trick involved. Try it while you are walking, driving, etc. The thought of awakening comes to mind - you stand up straight, ears perk up, you are aware of “There I was back asleep, distracted”.

And now I am not. Right at that moment, beyond that “thought of awakening” is the time you can attempt this. Try to remember right that second - try to separate your mind’s sensation of you being you - from another sensation that is different/separate from the mind’s.

And it has no name but it is there. And that is a kind of reality beyond what is generally referred to as waking up. Nothing wrong with “waking up” but this is a bit beyond that.

25:00  Which brings up the misguided proverb. Sham systems may claim to have the “true teaching” by referring to other teachings as “not being true.” For our view, they have it backwards. The mind believes certain things about itself (not fallaciously) to be true/correct. 

30:00 It could be a working model you have of all this, based on reason. I am not questioning that. Just saying the reason you have “your working model” is because of the false claims everywhere you look

35:00 If you are following this, if you are getting this tricky part, there is something here that is eye opening. Proper efforts to awaken do not matter. There is no real way to awaken. And the only reason you believe there are is because of false claims everywhere you look. You breathe them.

In essence, trying to awaken has been my life. But if I had not stumbled on it in some book, I would not be doing it. (that could wake you up) A weekend mystic may disagree saying it was fate and I understand that. But I am not talking to the weekend mystic.

40:00  I am talking to you folks, who will put up with the height of unreason. Its useful to see. Something that seems innate/natural and yet if I had not stumbled on it, could I have come up with it on my own?

45:00 There is no answer. Can you picture, that me not being here weekly, conveniently, you would not be involved with this in anyway. You may be reading books on your own, but continuing involvement, even internally, just saying, there seems to be (not quantitatively) outside input.     

50:00  Could you have come up with the things, you now do internally, to deal with mechanical consciousness, on your own? In case you may be thinking I changed the subject - you have a sensation/awareness of “you” apart from your mind’s sensation of “you.” Right there will wake you up. It will jar the illusion. 

It is more than glimpse, if you do it several times, I think you will get something. It begins to strip and separate something in you, I have no name for. The mind has a sensation of you, which everyone on the planet thinks of as themselves. Your big stomach is the mind’s sensation of you.

55:00  The mind is the first to speak and the last to know. If you keep looking there is another sensation of you. It is there all of the time.  And it’s not a sleeping mind and it’s not an awakened mind.  For the moment, if you can just get your finger in there, it will start to come apart.  (the mind’s sensation & this other thing)    
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Jan Cox Talk 2567  -  August 21, 2000
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2015
Notes by Cfish 

Suggested Title:  The Mind Knows Nothing

Begin:  Two things I wanted to mention that to me are related. Again the idea: “no one knows anything” in a way that you may have not considered.  And the mystical “waking up” is so simple it can be put into two or three words.  (Yet, I’m turning out more words every morning.)

Consider the accepted reality of people caring and feeding their dogs. The dog loves them and they love the dog. But zoology has observed that instead of love, it is submission. (ex. pack behavior, wolves, the alpha male)

05:00  You can’t disagree with the observation, if you are reasonable, because it seems to fit,  but nobody knows. It doesn’t affect how you treat the dog.  It’s  just something new. Nobody knows anything unless the mind physically created it.

10:00 The only way the relationship with your dog could be known (ex. submission vs love) would be by life itself. Twenty-five hundred years ago a guy from Greece came up with idea for atoms, by observing firewood turn to ash. 

Now we have quantum physics. But nobody knows, not even science. The only thing you (the mind) can know is something you physically do. Its is subtle and easy to miss. The mind cannot know anything unless it physically does it. (dropping a glass, fixing a lamp)

15:00  Reap what you sow, what goes around comes around, my dog loves me, my dog submits to me, may all seem to fit the observations and science but if the human mind did not physically do it, it is literally impossible to know.

Science can certainly make observations, studies, and experiments, and gain knowledge and come up with working models on love and phobias, for example, but it is literally not possible to know what’s going on unless the human mind physically did it.

20:00  When I look at the mind, to me its radical purpose is making survival easier. Technology’s radical purpose is  making life easier. But only a small percentage of folks are involved with survival related technology. (ex. farming, medicine) 

25:00  Most folks are involved with entertainment. Movies and television are designed to put you to sleep. I used to tell myself, when walking around half awake and half asleep, and deciding to watch a movie, I was “one with the dog.”  But it was still putting myself to sleep on purpose. 

I am assuming you are seeing the thing about “not knowing anything.” If not, I encourage you to keep looking. Unless you/humans physically did it, no one’s mind can know anything. Knowledge, theories, and facts that fit the observations, can be formulated and enjoyed but they do not explain it.

You are tied in place, if you think the non-physical can be explained. If you think I am explaining things, I am not, it is a hall of mirrors. But, hey if you think it is dangerous from your end, look at it from my end. For example me saying to myself did I explain that or what - and the answer is what.

30:00  If you discount the mind we do know how to live. Not in a social sense but in a physical sense. Instinct knows how to digest food. (pee and poop) The heart pumps blood without the help of the mind. The mind is an after market necessity. 

The mind is enjoyable and extremely useful, but when it comes to non-tangible matters (ex. religion, morality) the mind can know nothing.  Ordinary people when hearing something like man’s mental reality does not exist outside the mind will take offense.

Ordinary folks will insist that you quit talking about God that way.  But if it is non tangible and man did not physically do it, it cannot be known. You/man can know/fix a lamp but even that falls apart when you get down to the elements,that were laying around on the planet, minding their own business.

35:00 Man did not make the elements. You can know and understand trees ( trees/like elements minding their own business) but not in the same way you understand a man made lamp. It is a refreshing shock when you get a glimpse of it. (the mind knows nothing)

I knew it was true before I understood it. It is not allegory. It does not affect life that the mind knows nothing. Because when you get around to the tangibles, you do know something. Through surgery and anatomy, the mind knows how the blood and digestion works. 

40:00  Thru observations by the mind, you can know enough to repair the heart and save someone’s life. But when it gets down to the elements, the mind knows nothing. It can fix the heart. But the mind, being an after market necessity, cannot know the heart in the same way it knows a man made lamp. 


To see the mind knows nothing is a refreshing discovery. It will stick with you and it will keep popping up. For example, saying “I think I’ve got it,’ then its “you idiot.” It may be a better model, intriguing picture, and with folks like us, beneficial.

Just remind yourself that a new, meaningless, discovery, that benefits, encourages, and frees you a bit, may lead to the one big observation, “hey, all my observations (non tangible) are meaningless.” For the sensitive, questionable, maybe a better word than meaningless.

45:00  Instinct has the ability to live without the mind. Consciousness/thought is instinct’s tag team partner.  The instinctive brain is located deep down, and on top of the brain stem (hard to access). The cortex is easily accessible. 

If the cortex is so important, how come the accessibility  is not in reverse?  Tonight I was trying to be a bit more specific about how it is not possible to know anything. Philosophers, Zen, and others have played with and enjoyed the idea.

The mind not knowing anything is an observable reality. And I think very few people on the planet would see it. And it doesn’t do anything for you unless you are trying to “wake up.”  The exceptions being something humans physically did. 

But to things non tangible the mind can’t know. The mind will never know how “the mind” operates. It is not allegory. And “the mind” can’t get it. Will take up subject # 2 next time.  

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Jan Cox Talk 0363 - Jul 6, 1988 ** - 1:26
Notes by TK
Suggested Title: Masterstroke, the “To Do” List
  [Kyroot to :06. ]
  [Comments to video-watchers to :09.]
  [The TWE ( To What End ) of "out there": without it man would not struggle to alter his planetary conditions --'environment'--for the better (in a Yellow Circuit manner). He would be non-verbally fatalistic, animal-like. The consideration of This Thing as: what to do vs. not to do, is connected to should we look to the future or to the past? What is the nature of the connection between these two sets of questions? Internally, is the molecular talk primarily about what should be done or not be done? Is the looking primarily to the future or the past? To What End is it so arranged that you can suffer over what you've done? All "to do-s" are ultimately unsatisfying and everybody is concerned more with what not to do vs. what to do. All 'to-do' is not legitimate/useful info for the ordinary because it's impossible. Life designs it so; a masterstroke. What actually succeeds becomes extinct. The Real Revolutionist 'extincts' himself. ]
  [The past speaks only in regrets—of negative info and unworkable plans. The future never speaks so. Man cannot properly speak/think of the future. The Real Revolutionist should be working on what to do; truly look to the future. ]
  [The "Stop" method is rebelled against by the nervous system because it gives insufficient energy/info. It always must ask: stop...what? The Real Revolutionist must stop the "wanting to stop". Wanting-to-stop interferes absolutely with just stopping. The Stop method produces Real Present—a feeling of being alive and cut off from the past. ]
  [Note: To What End does Life have even some involved in Group believing still that J. actually criticizes anything. ]
  [1:26 Excursion: pick out something in your life to apply the stop method to. Then write a letter to the editor of local paper about how you're going to stop whatever you've picked out to stop. ]
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Suggested Title: Wasting Time/Waking up

Begin:  If you can ever stand far enough away from yourself - you will “wake up”.  “Being asleep” is standing too close to yourself. So what can you do? Force your thoughts to return over and over again to see what the mind is when engrossed with thought.

It will become clear for a millisecond, when the above is done repeatedly, what “being asleep” and standing too close to yourself is all about. Ordinary minds have a natural firewall that serves as protection for the passive medium of thought.

But to The Few, as long as the mind is serving as a passive medium for thought, the mind can’t ponder itself.  The mind stands far too close to itself (stays involved with thought) to gain understanding of itself. The intelligence that comes with enlightenment can not be talked about.

Ordinary minds look to other minds for explanations of life. The mind that looks to its own for explanations, is a vain endeavor, because the machinery that runs the mind is not located in the same place as the mind.

05:00  All meaningful/interesting operations concerning the mind occur off site - which explains the near impossibility of the mind ever understanding itself. “The endless turning of the carousel” does not disturb the horses there on. Nor neither the mind (or even awareness) of its own similar situation.

A man asleep is an endless dance. If you stay too much at home it becomes too familiar. The more you stay at home, the dumber you become. A man feels most secure in his own home. Safety and stupidity can quickly become the same thing if you stay at home too much. 

Allowing the mind to be a passive medium to whatever thoughts presented to it, is what is meant by staying at home too much. To see this through you have to give some space between you and the thoughts that flow thru you.   

A man does not wake up suddenly in Buddha Land. He awakens in the middle of a mentally, meaningless, dance step he was having with himself. Getting to the bottom of things takes you off the dance floor. (The dance floor being the familiar arms of thought.)

10:00  Who is life the most proud of? The people who pretend the dance is important or the people who criticize the dance? Study your own mind and if you persevere and are lucky, you have been on the correct and incorrect (for lack of a better word) path.

15:00  Your mind can believe it has a sizable collection of facts about its mind - but it’s not true. The one and only thing for sure is the mind knows nothing about the mind. After many years of observation I realized this. Easier to see is “what good has it done?”  (Its slippery)

20:00  All attempts to look at your mind produces nothing. The apparent somethings it does produce are simply words. Whatever is running the mind is outside the mind. We are not talking about the freudian subconscious mind where you were mistreated by a parent.

25:00  Whatever is running consciousness (thoughts) is not located on site. Information at the conscious level is fed from many sources. (ex. senses such as touch that makes you remove your hand from an object that could cause blisters/burns if you do not remove your hand.)

30:00 The senses are located outside the cortex. The senses fuel the cortex but are located off site. This explains why the mind can’t understand itself. The machinery that runs the cortex is located off site. If true, it’s either a great relief or a great setback for the few.

35:00 Linguists have pointed out “how do children learn to talk?” They can go from saying Da, Da, Ma, Ma, to using abstractions within days. (ex. where, soon, being late, etc.) What does “soon” look like to the mind? I find it to be of great benefit to consider.

It is not getting anywhere but maybe dizzy - like  looking at the horses on a carousel. The average child can put together languages and abstracts by age three. Imitation learning or they just suddenly learn it? This innate ability of language is being looked for in the brain.

40:00  It may be a waste of time looking for aspects of consciousness in the nervous system. The whole machinery of consciousness is run off site and not where we think it originates. (Ex. frontal lobes, cortex) It is all shipped in to the cortex.

But I say looking, relentlessly, at the mind is the only way you haven’t wasted time. It is a reasonable, intelligent, and alert effort, to get a glimpse and then its gone. And to ask “What good has it done?" But cheer up.

(This part reminded me of Pablo Neruda’s “A Dog Has Died” for whatever reason I included it. No, my dog used to gaze at me, paying me the attention I need, the attention required to make a vain person like me understand that, being a dog, he was wasting time, but, with those eyes so much purer than mine, he’d keep on gazing at me with a look that reserved for me alone all his sweet and shaggy life, always near me, never troubling me, and asking nothing)

45:00  All the thoughts, enjoyable and not enjoyable, light and dark, I still do not know thoughts, but now I know thoughts are shipped in from off site. The mind is the dummy/showcase. And it is divided into two parts to make sense. (silence and talk).

The ventriloquist is every other part of the body that is not the brain. And the other parts of the body (the ventriloquist to the cortex’s dummy) are the dummy to life’s ventriloquist. No burden, no free will, no self accusation. 

This factory (the mind) I have been studying all these years, are the passing tail end glimpses of thoughts, being shipped in from somewhere else. Nobody knows the mind. It is vacuous. 

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