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Added the Transcript for 0449, below the AKS/News items. ( Click Here)

Also - listened to 1885, one of the most direct, and intense, talks after we turned off the video cameras. ( click here )

Have been working on Jan's art for about 200 hours now, sorting and checking for duplicates and such and will be posting images throughout the site as time goes on.

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Dana has been busy adding audio download links throughout, as in hundreds.  When he is done we will post a long list, but they are there for the downloading now.

Have added 2597 with a transcript by TD.  here is the link

http://www.jancox.com/jan-cox-talk-2597

I am thinking of putting this rather straight forward talk into the beginner hopper.

What do you think?

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Jan Cox Talk 2596  October 25, 2000  ( Go To Talk Page 2596 for Audio )
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan's Legacy 2008.
These notes prepared by TD & DC on 10/25/08 from audio file.

Suggested title: Thoughts are Solely Responsible

Note: These news items are not recorded elsewhere.

00:08  [Reads] There is a beautiful symmetry to life that ordinary minds never appreciate, e.g., those who believe themselves sharp are dumb;  the vain, pathetic; would-be leaders, puddle lappers and the loud mouths have nothing to say;  a beautiful but unseen symmetry.  And look not for where the symmetry blooms, for it blooms within thee.

00:42  [Reads]  As long as men have spoken they have believed there is a magic in words. With the ordinary, the magic is in words' ability to help coalesce the group and make the individual feel more a part thereof through their shared language and current empowering words and phrases.

01:00  [Reads]  But with the few, the potential magic is antipodal:  it is in their hearing just the right words that will cut them free from the confining sense of reality which is the result of a slavish nexus to the collective thought and talk of man.

01:23  [Reads]  In spite of my having said that, thoughts are not actual things, from one view, the characteristics of thought are such that they should not be considered organic either. They do more resemble things than something alive.

01:45  [Reads]  One man says, "The truly exciting thing to me about the future is that it is one of the few things that may be safely considered inevitable.  And to me that is somehow comforting."

02:10  [Reads]  As distinguished from his friends, one man would never say "I am asleep" but instead would say "My attic is crammed to the rafters with stuff."

02:28  [Reads]  Another way to spot an awakened man is by the fact that he does not take seriously any of the things that everyone else takes seriously nor does he take seriously any of the things that they do not take seriously. And you might ask, "So, what does he take seriously?" And right there is yet another identifying mark:  no one knows.

02:58  You could also apply that in a singular fashion to your singular self.  What is seriousness?  "Oh Jeeze, I've got better things to think about than that" should be your attitude toward the question that you ask yourself...ignore those questions the same way you would someone trying to stop you at the fair with a clipboard...I have told you how to handle that...

04:25 [Reads]  Getting your hands on the secret, you discover it is one thing that repeated handling does not wear down.

04:39  [Reads]  If other people are your problem, you're not close to awakening. If simply being alive is your problem, you're not close to awakening. If you are the problem, you're a little closer -- but not much.

05:02  But notice immediately how many people laughed and responded like "Well, thank God we're getting somewhere."  And I knew you were going to be embarrassed...being the trained comedian that I am, I know about timing...

05:30  [Reads]  Thoughts will often invent a persona for activity they dislike. For instance from their dislike for uncontrollable drinking, they invent "the demon of drink". And from their dislike of not existing they invent "You".

05:57  The magic in words...you hear words..."...the last time I was in Rome, I was out for a stroll past the Colliseum,"  and you see in your mind right in front of the Colliseum...and you do all that while having never been there.  But you do all of that, it just happens.  It's just triggered by the words...

07:20  ...even though I'm not a mind reader, and even though we're all stuck solely with only experiencing what's going on in our own brain, at least in this lifetime -- I feel sorry for people who believe in successive lifetimes. But then you might come back as somebody else's brain's idea of a "you"...I find that somewhat disturbing...I don't mind the idea of dying near as much as I do the possibility that I'm not really dead, and at some future time there's going to be another brain in another human, a different brain -- and I know enough; it's not going to be better or worse -- but what if you come back, not as a cow, not as a worm, forget all that shit!...If there are successive lives, you come back as a human...there is no greater punishment...but then again there is no greater reward...but anyway, what gives me the shudders -- unpainted at that -- but gives me the shudders to imagine, in another human in another life, I'm good and dead, fought the good fight, ran the good race as they say -- maybe they're just trying to make losers feel better...I would dread the fact of coming back...and there's another human at another time and their brain is putting out conscious thought...

10:05  When human thought personifies something...in some way...it will be something of which it disapproves...or which [it does] not comprehend...it will be one of those two things when you find that the human mind has personified some activity..."Oh Lord!  Free this poor man from the evil, demonic spirit of debt!"...

11:26  Thought will often personify, put a persona on an activity of which it disapproves...if you're an alcoholic...your whole instinct, your physique, your somatic self disapproves of it...if you are fast-asleep enough then you have no idea that you're asleep...due to thought's disapproval of uncontrollable drinking, human thought has invented "the demon of drink"...religious people that deal in this, they actually mean it...

15:31  And due to thoughts' dislike of them not existing they invented "you"...to be able to observe it in such a way...I thought some of you might find it useful...thoughts have in a sense invented us, that is, each of us, the sense of "you".

16:14  They're solely responsible;  without thought there is no you.  Without thoughts you have no sense of you.  You don't worry about an objective measurement or decision whether you exist. To you there would be no you because there is no you unless you think there's you.  I mean, you could be lying there in a sweet-potato coma...people walking by...could attribute a you to you...

18:11  Do you realize that Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians, they've ridden that damn nag now for four thousand years.  Anything you want to pick on, you go, "There is a sign of the final days.  We've about had it"...It's always the final days.

19:17  Thoughts...are confronted with something they do not like...the human's thoughts were dealing with activity that the total person was engaged in that thoughts disapproved of...when I said uncontrollable drinking...from the thoughts' view, they could not stop the person from drinking, that they could not have enough effect...So [Thought thought] "Maybe if I personalize it, if I turn it into a persona as though it is something, an outside enemy...a virus...it took four thousand years...now being a drunkard is no longer a weakness;  it's a disease...thoughts will invent a persona for something that it cannot handle, does not understand and of which it disapproves...I don't find that all that allegorical.

21:23  But then...what [thoughts] really, in a singular way do not like is the fact that...there's nothing there;  there's nothing to them...to put it crudely, they don't exist...what would be the things that I would dislike most if they were true?  Wouldn't not existing probably be at the top of the list?...

23:16  Sit there...and you think about being dead...and then try and think..."Okay, what?"...

25:47  Maybe what I've done is just irritate myself into greater states of awareness...

26:16  ...it's your thoughts at the moment thinking, "How could I think if I wasn't here to think?"

26:27  Thoughts...don't exist...and there are other invisible things that do exist.  You can measure speech;  speech physically exists...but there's one thing known to humans that all humans agree exists and that's thoughts...thoughts are probably of paramount significance in our lives.  And yet by any standards we know...they do not exist...which makes it even more interesting because here I am dealing with them right this second.  That is, it's thoughts...responsible for what I'm saying...for standing here denouncing them, denying their existence.  And so obviously something is fishy to put it mildly...

28:52  What else could be more annoying than to be something, and to be something that's at the center of a whole world, a whole sense of reality and then look down and find out that you don't exist?  What could you possibly dislike more than that?

29:25  They dislike so much not existing...thought has not been successful...in curing this activity that they don't like...in this case, their nonexistence...and so in response thereto instead of inventing the demon of nonexistence, or the demon of existence, they simply invented "you".

31:43  Under mundane conditions, "I" am a persona invented by my thoughts in reaction to the fact of them realizing they don't exist.  Does anybody see how clever it's been?  They've now shifted the onus to us.  They've invented us and now we feel like it's our responsibility.

32:16  They don't exist -- let me see if I've got this straight now.  Work with me here...You're saying that there's this activity that compared to every other activity...does not physically exist...You're saying that that thing that doesn't exist then picks out things that it dislikes...[one being] that it does not exist, and in some way that we can see in other areas, one of the reactions it has...it invented us, and now...each of us is all tied up in the fact, and the results...the end result is imagination that was conjured up by something that is illusionary.  Have I got that straight?  Is that what you're telling me?  If so, I feel a great sense of relief.

34:31  I wanted to do the magical words...I very often in my head substitute "words" for "thought"..."Wait a minute.  If I don't watch what I'm calling things, if I don't protect the knowledge I have now...I could lose it."  Hug/slap...It's nice to get to the point that you can't lose anything...I could have a mini stroke now and not lose any of my wisdom...you could at least come and stand by my bed and look down at me and have the awareness that I don't understand any less than I did before the stroke...


39:17  There's always been a sense of magic in words...the beginning of every holy book..."The Word was God"...it's synonymous with consciousness, with thought...

41:03  People who are not religious even today -- people consider there is magic in words...

42:30  Words bind people as a group.  [They are] the gluons of the common consciousness of man...an identifying cohesive element...words help coalesce the herd of humanity...

47:29  It's a steroid shot inside a shared language is to have this feeling of shared...insider terminology, the latest hip terminology...even if it's no longer hip to the real hip crowd...it is still acting as sort of a booster glue to hold some herd together...

48:25  The magic of words is to hold people together...it acts as a binding agent...wanting to awaken, what we're looking for is matching words that act as a solvent, not as a glue.

50:26  You are not necessarily trying to become antisocial...trying to strip yourself from the social herd...what you're longing for is to be released from this confining nexus, this natural connection that you have got already with the collective mind of man, the collective speech of man...Wanting to awaken, you're wanting anything but words that are magical in their reinforcement of your connection.  What you're really looking for -- that's the idea of there being "secret knowledge"...what's going to be the secret?  Nobody ever thinks about that...

52:26  Words cannot give the secret because...the secret has to do with stripping away the power of words.  And so there's no way that words can say what the secret is.

52:46  If you can get a glimpse of what I...am trying to point out, you understand...the apparent difficulty, the elusiveness of what trying to wake up is.  Well, once you get into it.  If you just stay an amateur it's never elusive;  it's all quite plain...come over here and join us;  we know what to do...if you know what to do it's a sure sign you don't know what to do because you believe there's magic in words, and what I'm telling you tonight is the magic of words is really the magic [glamour] to blind you...it's the magic to make you belive...in concert with the rest of humanity...

54:56  ...it seems that there are some groups of people...that what they think...is somewhat removed, somewhat different from where you are.  But I'm telling you if you look at it, people all over the planet are thinking as though they're part of one great brain...

56:03  In the secondary world, there could be no greater division...those who believe in an almighty...god...and those who say there is no god...there are the two extremes...That's not two of anything...They're both in the same herd...It's nothing.  That is the common mind of man...there is one that's been going on...for several thousand years...you're talking about something that doesn't exist.  It doesn't matter whether you believe in it or don't believe in it.  You're talking about something that the mind made up to start with.

57:11  The point is the magic of words is that it holds everybody...together in the secondary world, even when they are apparently at odds...they all accept ghosts and shadows as reality.  Their thoughts have invented a reality that they accept.  Of course, their thoughts have invented "them" so I don't know how you think it's not going to accept the rest of its invention...

59:22  The thoughts are to hold things together.  The thoughts are to hold an individual man to the herd...

61:36  Cells do not walk out of some organ...part of the magic of words is to make people believe that they should be stuck where they are;  is to keep all the minds working in a cohesiveness...I tell you, there are six billion thought processes operating on this planet, and they are operating as one.  People trying to awaken, they are the lone exceptions...

63:36  What we're looking for is magic in certain words...that's going to cut [us] loose from the herd...there is this thinking that is shared by the planet...and that's what we're struggling to get free from.

64:21  It's a power struggle -- which is another story...

Transcript of Jan Cox Talk 2595 ( by TD )

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Jan Cox Talk 2595  -  Oct 23, 2000

Copyright Jan Cox, 
Notes by TD made 6/2008 from mp3 file

Suggested Title: What’s Thought Got To Do With It?
 
00:15
Since I've started writing that stuff for the internet everyday, I've found it interesting, the idea that I was writing for civilians, or folks who'd only heard of the fourth way or sufism, etc. I usually give you people credit, for whatever I happen to be talking about, you at least seem to be in the same neighborhood anyway. I've talked about everything that could be talked about and now I'm just circling back again. I don't mean to say that I've run out of things to say or that I've grown tired of talking, as I've said, its more fun than ever, except that the fun in my head nowadays is beyond anything I feel confident talking about. 

1:45
The comments and notes that I get from a lot of you (mostly out of towners) seem to revolve around how you feel. In case it sounds like I'm picking on you distant folks I believe its because the people around here have gotten to the point where they don't tell me their problems any more. For a while I was feeling real good about that, but I hear rumors occasionally that you still whine amongst yourselves, (laughter) but its at least to the point where you don't whine to me. Some of you out of town people whine and I think that inadvertently, you're whining on the folks around here's behalf. (laughter).  

3:05
Here's what it gets down to. For the last 2 years I've been talking about the mind and thought and I still don't know how many of you picture it in those terms. Recently I was talking to someone and they said that as much as they enjoyed listening, they wished I would speak more on the topic of feelings.

Feelings are all there is. The only time your mind really comes into play is in survival mode, like when you're flying down the highway at 90 mph and you see a sign that says “Bridge Out”. Of course this gets complicated because if it weren't for the mind, you wouldn't be in a car to begin with, but Your mind alone has the capacity to say “I think I'll hit the brakes or turn the wheel right about now”. It always gets back to what ever is under your left foot, look under it and if there is something there, thats all there is.

5:05
Other than that, of what use is the mind? From one view, if its not solving problems, what the hell good is it? It doesn't digest food, it doesn't breath... Down below the line of consciousness, in the old reptilian brain, your temperature is regulated, your equilibrium is monitored, your lungs and heart are controlled... As you know, you can suffer what is called “brain death” and live on for years. With no great enthusiasm on the part of your family members I would guess. (laughter)

6:30
But getting back to what this person was saying to me, it seemed that  feelings were of the most importance. Feelings are everything to everybody. What makes thought useful for our kind of purpose is, whatever thought is going on in your mind, it is a direct result of what you're feeling. There are people in life, I'm not making fun, we all have friends or relatives in similar situations, but there are people in life who never felt good from the day they were born. They are, as we southern mystics say, 'sickly'. For most people anyway, most of the time you're not feeling one way or the other enough to notice thoughts doing anything in particular. But, if you eat a pile of spicy food or something that disagrees with you right before you go to bed at night, when you wake up in the morning you can almost expect your thoughts to be royally pissed. You wake up and you're irritated. The thoughts may look in some other direction, like at that song thats on the clock radio “what crap!” “What idiot DJ decided to play that... etc. “ Whereas under ordinary conditions, your thoughts might have heard that same song and thought “What a nice song to wake up to”. 

8:45
I'm saying that: most of the time, most ordinary people are in an upright, homeostatic, neither too much to the right or the left emotional state. If someone asked you how you felt, you'd likely check and say “I don't rightly know”. So if you're going to take what I said about consciousness being the only real measure of how you feel, then most of the time you'd say, when asked about how you felt... “come si, come sa”. How often do you hear people relate their feelings to their physical state? How often are you aware of the connection in yourself? Not all of you have feelings which affect your thoughts that directly, it varies from person to person like finger prints. 

10:30
But if you notice, its not part of common wisdom to recognize the direct nature of the connection between the physical irritations, endorphin releases and how your mind reports on how you feel. No one writes about it, how they have finally caught on to the correlation of their wild swings in intellectual mood, the seemingly endless train of critical, bellicose thoughts and the ache in their back. I used to ponder what sort of childhood traumas I was repressing. (laughter) I read psychology books and even took some psychology courses at the community college, but it finally hit me that every time that my head gets filled up with whining & growling thoughts and I'm just... pissed... I'm not just pissed in my head, I'm pissed in my guts as well. I literally do not feel good. If I happen to look back, I often see that it was even self induced, I stayed up too late, drank too much coffee and didn't eat enough. And I wake up and I'm pissed at the radio and the world. I stayed up too late, drank too much coffee and didn't eat anything, thats the depth of it. 

12:45
No one treats that. Psychiatrists don't make the connection, psychiatry as a profession doesn't have the attitude. Religion doesn't have it, they look at it as punishment. Have you ever heard or read anybody official point out that you could look at all so-called “neuroses” or undesirable mood swings of the mind, we're not talking about physical brain damage here, but a person saying “my thoughts are just too offensive to me”, as being an upset stomach or back pain?

17:00
I'm sure I could get an ordinary person to agree, if I picked an example that was specific enough, “Hey, have you ever considered that when you get up on the wrong side of the bed, it could have been just something you ate the night before? You know, rather than being stress from your job or some repressed memory from your childhood, maybe it was just those anchovies?” I would assume that most people on the planet today would say “well, you know, it could have been...” Of course I could get every one of the 6 billion people on the planet to agree to anything for a moment anyway. 

19:00
I say to you that the whole thing about being awake, enlightened, etc., takes place in one small area of your brain. It doesn't take place in monasteries or books or any of the other popular places people look, it happens in your brain. If it happens at all, thats where it happens. On that basis, we could say that there is nothing more important than what is going on in consciousness to someone with the hunger.
When you are in severe pain you have direct information about how you physically feel. But if you don't have anything so drastic, then the only conscious measuring or monitoring of feelings thats left, is what is reflected in your consciousness. The pain may even be gone, but the reflection in the mind is still there. 

23:00
So you wake up pissed off about the radio and think “I've got to do something about my temper”. “Here I've been trying to awaken for years and where am I... What have I been doing?” And the mind immediately begins searching everywhere for answers except up its own skirt which is the only place that will do it any good. Life has constructed an almost impenetrable or even imperceptible “firewall” around thoughts' self realization. 

26:20
There's been a lot of news of late, about the illicit purveying of fraudulent sports memorabilia.  There have been expose's, newspaper articles, one of which hollered “Experts say that 95% of all sports memorabilia is fake!”  And a little further on, “Sports memorabilia is now a 10 billion dollar industry” and apparently, about 99% of the value is in a signature or an object of some sort like Mark McGuire's 71st home run ball. Now the seller not only claims that this is the ball, but that Mark McGuire signed the ball. So the article goes on to say that a ball, a signed picture of Yogi Berra or Casey Stengel. The story continues...catch this now... there are people out there with sports memorabilia shops, all around the country, who have a picture of Yogi Berra and take it down to Kinko's and make 50 copies and head back to the store, where they sit in the back room and sign Yogi Berra on them, stick them in a frame and sell them for $100. They'll go down to the sporting goods store, buy a baseball and sign Mickey Mantle's name on it and sell it for a hundred dollars. But! You (the sports memorabilia buying community) needn't fear if you insist on getting a certificate of authenticity! (laughter) I figured that I had got the gist of the story at that point, but I thought “what the hell I'll read another sentence. “Its a good thing you're reading this because armed with this knowledge, you will no longer be seen as a rube.” If somebody offers you a baseball signed by Lou Gehrig, you just say “well thats pretty impressive, but do you have a certificate of authenticity!?” And as their eyes widen with new found respect, they reach under the counter and hand you a certificate of authenticity signed by Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth, vouching for the fact that the baseball was signed by him! (laughter)

31:00
I shouldn't do this... You're gonna miss it... I can make it sound ridiculous, like, How dumb can they be? Except for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been collecting this stuff for 30 or 40  years! People with college degrees, people with important jobs, pillars of the community. But this behavior does not reflect collective reality. There are people around who have enough cash in their pockets to spend $3,000.00 on a baseball because somebody else signed it.  

33:00
Don't just giggle and move on here, I don't want you to miss it, there have been countless people being suckered, people signing their own names to baseballs and forging other people's signatures, etc. for as long as there has been an interest. And yet, periodically there has to be an expose' of the sordid business. Notice however, that even when the expose' arises, thoughts will not confront the direct realization of what is happening, because all such frauds as this are in reality, “thought frauds”. This is not “armed robbery”..., that would be an “essential or primary fraud”.  

34:30
This is all in the secondary world. You may be dealing with a tangible object such as a baseball, but were it not for thought, there would be no interest in autographs, there probably would be no such thing as an autograph. Think of it, a man you meet on the street says to you “Do you have a thousand dollars?” And you say “yes, I happen to have $1000.00” and he says, “how would you like to exchange it for this piece of paper?”. Your next thought will probably be “is it by any chance the paper upon which a ten thousand dollar bill is printed? Because if so, we got a deal.” But he says “no, look at this...” and you look at the paper and all you see are a few lines. And you say “what is that?” and he says “Sam Fort signed his name here”  “And I can have it for a thousand dollars? Boy, is this my lucky day.?” (giggling)

35:00 Without thought, there would be no such thing. Its all just a dream world. Now don't just giggle, don't miss it, can you see the guy walking into a memorabilia store, standing at the counter pondering the autograph... “Ty Cobb” do you understand, in their brain, they're seeing a movie? You, all the time, are. The two sides of consciousness, whats said... I point out to you, that there is talk and listening going on in the brain. From one view, it doesn't matter what is said, whatever it is, its of no significance. Its what is listened to...

36:00 
So here's the guy at the counter, he pushes the baseball towards you and musing, says “Ty Cobb, mmm-mm”. And you look into the baseball... you're not looking at the fucking baseball!, you're watching a movie, probably remnants of some movie clip you saw 10 years ago. He's standing there in his uniform looking at the camera, leans over to spit out some tobacco juice, and then someone hands him a pen and baseball and viola! Again the salesman muses, “Yep, the 1929 world series... best series ever... Ty Cobb hit it right out of the park.” 

37:40
You understand now, its not all his fault, he's saying the words, but you are doing the listening. The words aren't the captious part of it, its the listening to it. Its the reaction of your consciousness that provides the movies. Ordinary people would castigate the salesman for being a con man, but no one's holding a gun to the inside of your head. 

39:50
At any rate, back to the firewall, I can make it sound as idiotic as you like, how people can say with seriousness that “there are many unscrupulous dealers of sports memorabilia now a days, who will not hesitate to sell you a forged autograph, but you can protect yourself by insisting on a certificate of authenticity”. Any idiot would know that he could just as easily be forging the certificate of authenticity as forging the signature on the baseball... but they don't do they? Thats the childish example though, the big example is the holy scripture. How do you know its true? It says so right here. He said that he said it. And off march billions of people... its not really people though, its the construction of thought. 

44:10
Look inside your own head, forget about baseball memorabilia, the guy who wants to sell you an autograph of Charlemagne with a certificate of authenticity signed by him and notarized by his brother in law. Now look inside your own head and observe as you listen to what your thoughts say. Now that I've got you all laughing about the dumb-asses out there buying sports memorabilia, consider that you do the same thing listening to the thoughts in your head. And they don't even offer you a certificate of authenticity! (laughter) Its a good thing our thoughts can't charge us for the gibberish they peddle. If they could two things would happen, one we'd all be broke and when God came back and said “alright  everybody who was a rube stand on my left and everybody who conned them stand on my right” 12 

Am up to 0452 with a problem and experiments

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Have added 0452, but can't get the " Talks page" to accept a link to it.  Customer service is looking into that .

  You can get there by searching for 0452.

  I edited the streaming audio in 0452 using Audacity.  I won't be editing many of these because it took two hours, and it is more important, right now, to just get the raw stuff up.

  I added Jan-art in 0451

  I added Kyroots to the bottom of 0451, as well as a separate page for them.
They fit well down there, but I think we will need a separate page for those who want to just go from Kyroot to Kyroot.